How U.S. Health Care Broke The Bank (Podcast) (January 8, 2020) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/audio/2020-01-08/how-u-s-health-care-broke-the-bank-podcast
Blue Cross Blue Shield CEO on Health Care (September 10, 2019) https://www.c-span.org/video/?463623-1/blue-cross-blue-shield-ceo-health-care